COVID & Alternative ideas Mar 2025

I have not written anything about COVID on this blog. I listened to a conversation between Tucker Carlson and Dr Patrick Soon-Shiong and added the transcript below.

I did not sleep well after listening to the interview because it was troubling to hear that cautions about COVID vaccines were ignored. I decided to include a few ideas. First Dr McCullough on how to detox from COVID. Second, some alternative cancer treatment ideas.

The way I got back to sleep was to remind myself of my eternal perspective – to focus on the how grateful I am for my Lord Jesus, life, my family and all that is good. Remember that God is all powerful, all good and lives from everlasting to everlasting. There have been wars and plagues and through whatever comes we just keep our eyes on the Lord and seek His guidance. And I have lived far longer than was expected- I was “given 2-5 years” to live and I have lived 13 years and am healthy and doing well.

The following is a way to “detox” from COVID. According to Dr Peter McCullough (in a Twitter post – July 2023):

  1. Base Spike Detox is what I am currently using in my practice for those who have had COVID-19 multiple times, one or more of the COVID-19 vaccines, or both and believe persistent SARS-CoV-2 Spike protein could be causing problems in their body. A major publication is under review and editing; however, the information is far too important to hold back. 
  2. Update (Nov 2023): Published on August 25, 2023 in Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. CLICK HERE FOR THE COMPLETE PAPER > Base Spike Protein Detoxification and on November 21, 2023 in Cureus (PubMed – November 2023)
  3. I have arrived, based on the emerging scientific literature and my clinical observation, that three OTC products are essential as a triple base combination:
  4. Nattokinase 2000 FU (100 mg) twice a day
  5. Bromelain 500 mg once a day
  6. Nano/Liposomal Curcumin 500 mg twice a day
  7. Additional products can be added, including NAC, IVM (Ivermectin), HCQ (Hydroxychloroquine), fluvoxamine, low-dose naltrexone, and blood thinners, depending on the clinical evaluation and the syndrome. The therapeutic objective is to start treatment and allow the body to clear Spike and its fragments with the natural reticuloendothelial system. I believe this triple combination is the best approach.

Our immune system: We have “Natural Killer Cells” -Natural killer (NK) cells are a type of white blood cell that plays a crucial role in the immune system by identifying and destroying infected or cancerous cells without needing prior exposure to them.

Up to 15% of your Lymphocytes are Natural Killer cells (NK).

Anything that helps your immune system helps your body fight against cancer.

ALTERNATIVE cancer treatments in the news:

  1. The following is from a text my sister sent that is supposed to be from RFK Jr. I didn’t see anything that was troubling in this list but you need to discuss the ideas with your oncologist.
    • For anyone dealing with cancer, here are some things to consider: Avoid digging into a Tumor to test. Tumors serve to protect the body by preventing cancer cells from spreading. Drilling them for a test can aggravate the situation by allowing the cells to migrate.
    • Cancer often starts with a parasite. Consider using Ivermectin and Fenbendazole to combat the parasite
    • Cut back on the sugar. Sugar feeds cancer cells, so it is important to avoid all forms of sugar. I use continuous glucose monitor to make sure my blood glucose is low and steady and follow the ketogenic diet
    • Use hydrogen peroxide (H2O2). This compound contains an extra oxygen molecule that cancer cells do not tolerate. Apply it to skin with a cotton glove, especially after bath or shower for better absorption
    • Drink Alkaline Water. (I juice a lemon each day and put it in water) to help balance the pH of the body, making it difficult for cancer cells to survive. (You can also put 1/2 tsp baking soda – sodium bicarbonate- or potassium bicarbonate in a liter water to make your blood less acidic)
    • Take a detox bath; add baking soda, borax, Epsom salt and bentonite clay to a hot bath. It helps to remove toxins from the body.
    • Consume Vitamin B17, present in apple seeds and apricot seeds. This vitamin can help eliminate cancer cells. A little daily dose is all it takes
    • Fenbendazole: 222mg/day
    • Curcumin: 600 mg organic curcumin/day
    • CBD oil: Administer 25 mg of CBD oil sublingually under the tongue daily – preferably using high purity CBD oil
    • Ivermectin: take 12 mg twice a day
    • Vitamin E 500-1000 mg/day
    • Vit C (1000mg / day – a lemon in water each day will provide most of this)
    • These tips are alternatives to traditional treatments like chemotherapy and radiotherapy, often blamed for destroying healthy tissue.
    • Before the advancements of the pharmaceutical industry natural methods were successfully used to treat certain cancers.
    • RFK Jr.

Transcript of Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong on The Tucker Carlson Show

Transcript of Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong on The Tucker Carlson Show

  • March 27, 2025
  • The Alarming Rise in Cancer Cases
  • TUCKER CARLSON: Doctor, thanks a lot for coming on. So you spent your life, you know, 50 years working on treatments for cancer.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Worrisome to me now is not just the rate, but the population in which it’s increasing, I.E. the younger people. So we’re clearly seeing an increase in certain types of cancer, like pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, and we’re seeing that colon cancer, and we’re seeing it in younger people.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I’m a surgeon, yes. And I was also doing pancreas transplants for type 2 diabetes and islet cell transplants and stem cell transplant. So I had this diverse activity as a UCLA assistant professor, but I never saw pancreatic cancer in children. And the greatest surprise to me was a 13 year old with metastatic pancreatic cancer that the family called us to help

So seeing cancers now in younger people and almost a rise, almost like, I want to call it a non-infectious pandemic,

TUCKER CARLSON: A non-infectious pandemic of cancer. Including deadly cancers.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I inquired around because it bothered me so much now why this is happening. So Dr. Stephen Day, who’s a good friend who was trained with me at UCLA when I was at UCLA, he’s now at the Angeles Clinic. And I called him and he said, listen Patrick, I’m now seeing an 8 year old, a 10 year old, an 11 year old with colon cancer

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Right. I’m getting reports of that now that people that have been in remission before even are now getting back to cancers and very rapidly progressing. So if you really think about what the cause of cancer is, you know, and I did a piece with Sanjay Gupta many, many years ago on 60 Minutes and I said, you know, the cause of cancer is its inability. It’s not the rapidity of its growth, but its inability to die. And its inability to die is because it either hides from the cells that matter, that is your natural killer cells or T cells, or, and this is what I’m really worried about, your body. And the cancer has found a way to suppress your killer cells. And once they do that, once they activate what are called the suppressor cells, and you call yourself immunosuppressed, and then I think you see this rapid progression because there’s nothing stopping them.

TUCKER CARLSON: What could possibly be causing this?

Understanding Cancer and the Immune System

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Well, I think if you look back of causes, you know, ironically, when I was doing at UCLA, I was working on pancreas transplant where I want to immunosuppress the patients.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, you have to.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Yeah, because you prevent. And then I was working on cancer where I don’t want to immunosuppress. So I needed to understand the body’s mechanism. And we have a crazy, wonderful, exquisite balance in our body. You have the yin and the yang of the killer cells and these things called natural killer cells and T cells.

TUCKER CARLSON: Whose job is to kill anything that threatens the body.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Whose job is to kill. Quite right. Anything that threatens the body. Whether the body has infection, if you have TB, if you have HIV, if you have hepatitis, if you have COVID. These cells are there to recognize these infected cells and kill it. As you and I are sitting here today, our stem cells are growing in order to replenish parts of your body, your heart. If you didn’t have that, you

wouldn’t have a heart at the age of 14. You need those stem cells, but mathematically there are some cells that are transformed and your body recognizes that through these natural killer cells and kills it. I call that nature’s first responder. And that’s your mechanism. That’s how we are all protected and we are in the state of equilibrium or balance.

On the other hand, the moment either the tumor find a way to hide from these cells or your body’s or the tumor causes these cells to be suppressed. And that’s why I call the suppressor cells. And there are certain cells in your body call T reg cells or myelo derived suppressor cells. These are all technical, that when they get upregulated you’ve lost your protection. And so the question then is how do we understand this balance, how do we increase the killers and how do we decrease the suppressors?

The Complex Balance of the Immune System

So that’s been 50 years of my challenge of and how do we expose the tumor? So on the one hand you need to expose the tumor because it hides from the killers. On the other hand you activate the killers and the other hand you have to suppress the suppressors.

And the problem with cancer is it’s been treated by oncologists and not immunologists. And immunologists don’t see patients because they look at basic immunology. And then when you have infection and you have virology. So these cross disciplines of virology, immunology, oncology, all these allergies don’t talk to each other.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes. So you’re saying, just big picture for non-specialists of which I’m of course one. You’re saying that cancer is to some extent a problem with your immune system.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It is everything about your immune system.

TUCKER CARLSON: And when that body gets out of balance, when the killer cells become suppressed or less effective, that’s when you get cancer.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Correct.

The Quantum Theory of Cancer

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So. But that’s I think is what’s happening in our body. We have these perturbations, but we’re in equilibrium, you know, and that’s a good thing the moment you knock yourself out of equilibrium. Now what could knock you out of equilibrium? And that’s why when you know, Bobby Kennedy’s talking about standing up about the toxins in our food, the toxins in PFAS, the processed food and viral infections. And really what knocks you out of balance basically is inflammation.

If you have inflammation in your body, there’s this. Now I’m going to get nerdy again. These cells called neutrophils that actually see an infection and tries to kill it, which it does. But if there’s persistent inflammation, these neutrophils actually flip into a suppressor cell. So what people don’t realize is that we have the yin yang in our body, that every cell has a counter cell.

And that’s what I was about to go there. I said the most fun conversation I had where I was asked by astrophysicists or physicists to give a lecture is I named this concept of cancer a quantum theory, like a physicist. And that in our body we have cells that can be in two states. It can be a killer or suppressor. And like the Schrödinger’s cat, it could be alive or dead. And it depends what you do with it.

And so I named the sync quantum oncotherapeutics just to be controversial, so that doctors could understand. What I’m talking about is that we need to understand the fact that you have a killer T cell and you have a killer suppressor cell. We have an M1 macrophage that actually chomps things up and M2 macrophages that blocks that. You have an NK cell that kills and NK cells that inhibits. And we need to have that balance. Otherwise you’ll get into autoimmune disease.

The Complexity of Cancer Treatment

But there’s a thing called quantum entanglement that is this cat alive? Is this cat dead? If somebody interacts with that, and the person that interacts with that is the doctor. So you as a doctor could either be enlightened enough to activate just the activators and suppress the suppressors and change the dynamic towards the cure. But it’s very complex because it’s now quantum, because all those changes are happening in minutes in your body.

the first thing you need to understand is how does cancer happen? And then how does it grow? How do you stop it? This idea of a vaccine, a cancer vaccine, do you radiate that cancer? Do you remove that cancer? Do you remove the lymph nodes? Do you give chemotherapy? And crazy enough over the last 50 years, I figured out that

everything we’re doing is not the word wrong, because that’s a bad statement, a pejorative statement. It’s not enlightened or a better way to say it, because everything we’re doing is tipping the scales towards the suppressor cells. We’re activating the suppressor cells, we’re not activating the killing cells. And we can go into this conversation where I can explain that.

So the key system which you just said is cancer is all about the immune system. So if you activate the immunosuppression system, you get more cancer. So then the fundamental root cause is what’s activating that immune system on the other way?

Searching for the Root Cause

Viruses and Cancer: Understanding the Connection

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: The best way for me to answer that is to look at history. What we know about virally induced cancers is well established. We know that if you get hepatitis, you get liver cancer. Hepatitis is a virus infection. We know if you get human papillomavirus, HPV, you get cervical cancer.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes. Certain kinds of throat cancer are caused by viruses as well.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Right. If you get HIV, you get Kaposi sarcoma.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So we call that oncogenic viruses in medical terms, meaning viruses that are induced carcinogenic. And the fundamental basis for that are threefold. The hallmarks of an oncogenic virus is one, it must persist. And why? Because it continues to create inflammation. And why with inflammation you get suppression? Because your body’s trying to suppress, must inhibit the thing called P53 that’s in your body to try and protect your body from not having cancer. And if it persists and causes inflammation and inhibits p53, it begins to have the hallmarks of an oncogenic virus.

COVID-19 as a Potential Oncogenic Virus

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So then the question is, does COVID whether it come from the vaccine, which is the spike protein vaccine, or from the infection, which is spike driven, that gets into every cell of our body because it goes through the cell of the body. It goes wherever you have this thing called the ACE2 receptor, which is in the blood vessels. So wherever you have a blood vessel in, it’s where it’s going to go. And if it has an ACE2 receptor on that blood vessel, that’s where it can go, because that’s the purpose of the spike protein, to penetrate, to hijack that ACE2 receptor and get into their cells.

That’s why it gets in the pancreas. That’s why you have brain fog, because it disrupts the blood vessels of the brain and causes mitochondrial dysfunction. That’s why in the colon, which is a high, in the GI tract, there’s a high ACE2 receptor. That’s why pancreas, high ACE2 receptor. That’s why you see people have dysfunction in the heart. You’ve seen young people have sudden heart attacks. All of a sudden you see young people with pancreatic cancer, all of a sudden you see young people with colon cancer all of a sudden.

So is it by coincidence that post COVID infection, post COVID vaccine, we’re seeing all these events where we know the spike protein goes there? I don’t think so. I think it’s not a coincidence. So the question is, can we prove is this what I call long COVID virus persisting? And the group at University of California, San Francisco has now definitively proven that and published that in papers like Nature. Can we also prove that once you have that persistence of that virus, does that COVID virus suppress the natural killer cell? Does a natural killer cell actually not only go to sleep, becomes what you call energic? That’s now been published. The natural killer cell has gone to sleep.

TUCKER CARLSON: So by your definition, we just solved the mystery right there.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I think so. I think this is the conversation I had with the…

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, but wait, I mean, billions of people, literally billions of people had the COVID virus over a billion got the spike protein vaccine. So that’s like, we’re talking like a huge percentage of the earth’s population. Unless I’m missing something.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Now you understand what keeps me awake at night. And it’s kept me awake at night for two years, two and a half years. And that’s why I sort of abandoned everything just to focus on how do we clear the virus? Because the answer is to clear the…

TUCKER CARLSON: Virus from the body.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: From the body. The answer is to stop the inflammation because it’s chronic inflammation.

The Persistence of COVID in the Body

TUCKER CARLSON: So can I ask a dumb question? How long does the virus remain in the human body if not cleared?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: We found three years, four years.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is there any reason to believe it’ll naturally go away?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Not if your body’s immunosuppressed. So it’s a circle. You ask what causes cancer because your body’s immunosuppressed. You have in your body nature’s compound. And if the tumor or the infection or the inflammation suppresses it, you have to find a way to reactivate it and clear the virus. It’s literally as simple as that. And that’s the missing link that I think…

TUCKER CARLSON: So it sounds like you’re describing what could be like the worst human health crisis in history.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I don’t know how to say that without saying it scares the pants off me because I think what we may be, I don’t think it’s virus versus man. Now is it existential? I think when I talk about the largest non-infectious pandemic that we’re afraid of, this is it because while there was an increased rise in cancer in our country because of the idea of the toxins and everything else, this immunosuppression that has occurred now globally and more importantly, the immunosuppression tied to inflammation, chronic inflammation, which is asymptomatic and sometimes, and sometimes it’s not.

There’s 15 million Americans with long COVID and they’re not psychiatric when they have memory loss. They’re not psychiatric when they have instantaneous heart attacks. It’s not psychiatric when you have an 8 year old, 10 year old with colon cancer, a 13 year old pancreatic cancer. So the idea was is there a solution? And this is what…

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, I certainly hope so because you spent your life around scary diseases like that’s been your life. And if you’re scared, then that’s not a good sign.

Scientific Evidence and Concerns

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I’m scared. But hopefully I think it’s important for me to have this conversation with you. I’ll share with you a conversation I had. I got invited by the CEO of the Henry Jackson foundation to come to DC, I think October, November, last year, during the election phase, and just to have a conversation about what I’m doing. And there he brought the leader from Walter Reed, the BARDA, the DOD, the NIH, the NIAID, all into that room. And it was just me.

And I said, it is time. It is time for me to reveal to this learned group of leaders about what I’m scared about. And I spent, I think it was three hours, no slides, just me speaking alone on the stage and all of them in the audience. When I first started the conversation, the first sentence was, I think COVID is oncogenic. One of the members of the audience said, that’s nonsense. I said, okay, let me explain to you what we’ve been doing in our research. At the end of three hours, she says, you’ve got to publish this. This is so important.

And I said, yes, we are processing the publication. And what came out was this paper that they biopsied the colon of young people temporally when no COVID to COVID. And showed the persistence of replicating viruses in the colon tissue two years out.

TUCKER CARLSON: Replicating COVID viruses. DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Replicating COVID viruses. Replicating asymptomatic replicating in the tissue, meaning there’s inflammation. And when you have this inflammation, these neutrophils now getting geeky again. Plasticize, flip from a protective neutrophil to a suppressive neutrophil. It’s called an N2. It’s called a myelo derived suppressor cell.

That’s an official name. So now you have suppression in your body. And it’s no wonder that then converts into colon cancer.

T-Cell Protection Against COVID

TUCKER CARLSON: Wait, so is this true, do you think for… I mean, have you had COVID?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: No.

TUCKER CARLSON: Lucky man.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Not lucky man. T-cell man. I have a T-cell in my body that protects me from the nucleocapsid.

TUCKER CARLSON: Where do I get one?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: That trial was held up by the FDA and by Collins and Fauci.

TUCKER CARLSON: You never got COVID because your protector cells w ere so strong.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Not only a protector, Celtic. If I do get COVID, the virus clears. You want to clear the virus?

TUCKER CARLSON: Wait, I just want to pause here. I know you’re in the midst of a much larger story, but this is something I think everyone can understand. So I think I’m in good health. I am in very robust…

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Did you have COVID?

TUCKER CARLSON: I did.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: How many times?

TUCKER CARLSON: One. I never took the virus. I never took the vaccine.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Okay.

TUCKER CARLSON: But I got COVID. Knocked me right on my butt. It was a bad three days. Fine, but I don’t understand. You’re older than I am. How did you never get… Let’s just… I just want to get very specific, like, how do… I mean, everyone on the planet got COVID.

The T-Cell Vaccine Approach

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Okay, so let me give you some idea. One, because we understand the implications. My wife also never got COVID because both of us… This is a painful thing to me because I relate it to Kobe’s death. It was during Kobe’s time when he passed away. And at the funeral, Kobe Bryant, who…

TUCKER CARLSON: You were close to, correct?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Very close to. And at his funeral, all the people in the room, and it was, I think, November, and I turned to Gavin Newsom and said, listen, this is one virus I’m worried about, because I was studying this virus. You know, I understand HPV very well, and I understand hepatitis. I said, this is not a respiratory virus. This is a dangerous virus.

So I went back and I shut down our organization so that we could actually do nothing else but COVID. My entire team of hundreds of scientists on Zoom and everything else around the world. I said, we must go after this virus with a vaccine that clears the virus. And the only way to clear the virus is to have what we call a T cell, an NK cell, the cell that kills cancer cells.

And I wrote a paper with [Carl Scudon], who said, COVID’s like cancer, and cancer’s like COVID, meaning it’s immune suppression that causes its spread, and it’s immunosuppression by the COVID virus that allows it to persist. So the only vaccine that is important is a T cell vaccine. But that’s what I’m telling you. Virologists think about antibodies versus cellular therapy. It’s foreign to them to have a vaccine that stimulates T cells. So I said, I understand that internally. TUCKER CARLSON: It’s so weird since in 20 minutes you explained it to me. Not particularly high IQ, not a scientist. I understand exactly what

you’re saying. Why isn’t it obvious to virologists? Why isn’t that, like day one lesson in virology school that the T cells, the cells that protect you against all potential internal harm, they’re the key because…

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Every vaccine so far is antibody based. Dogma. Dogma blind spots.

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, now we’re cooking with gas. Now I understand what you’re talking about. Dogma blind spots. Nicely put. Okay, I’m sorry. I keep stepping on your story.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: You’re not stepping because you’re actually interpreting as pleasure to me. Because I don’t know what I’m saying sometimes whether it’s going to be so geeky, it gets lost. It’s important for the audience for you to interpret

The COVID-19 Vaccine Controversy

TUCKER CARLSON: So you figure out early, everyone’s panicked about COVID. But your position is they’re panicked for the wrong reasons. And actually maybe they’re not quite as panicked as they should be. Because this virus could pave the way for cancer because it will suppress the immune system of the human body. So you, in November, you said, when did you.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Right. So by March 2020 we had the vaccine. Because I had built a full GMP facility for cancer using the same vaccine that NCI had retested for HPV and for colon cancer. So I’d created this vaccine in which we would educate your body prior to COVID for the treatment of cancer to educate the T cells to recognize a cancer cell to kill it. That’s called a cancer vaccine, but which by the way, is the only vaccine in clinical trials today to prevent cancer that the NCI is running using our technology.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I’m calling it BioShield.

TUCKER CARLSON: Good. Because vaccine just scared the crap out of me.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I know. Because it’s not a vaccine in that general sense of an antibody based vaccine. It’s your body’s bioshield. So we’ll announce it on the show. We’re going to call this project BioShield. Which by the way, in 2004 there was a bioshield act for national preparedness against radiation, against a pandemic of infectious diseases.

The worst thing that can happen to you is to have one dose of radiation will wipe out your NK cells and your T cells. That’s how you die. That’s how you get cancer. It saps your immune system, it suppresses your immune system. So we wanted to create a bioshield. And the bioshield is to educate your body to have these T cells called memory T cells that go and hide in bone marrow and come out when they need it and kill that cell. So it can never do damage. That’s the concept, and it’s not a foreign concept. We published it with the National Cancer Institute. So by March 2020, I took all our resources. Thank God we had the resources. So that’s the sort of gift.

TUCKER CARLSON: Was this your money?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: All my money.

The Path to Medical Innovation

TUCKER CARLSON: Okay, so I should just say I alluded to it earlier, but you had a couple of companies making cancer drugs. You owned all of them. I mean, you own, I think, 100% of the companies. You sold them for $10 billion or something, so. But rather than buy a vineyard, you continued in your work. Is that a fair?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Very fair. You know, as I said to you over breakfast, I had no idea about stocks. So when the two companies were bought, and they were bought for the right reasons, the one company was American Pharmaceutical Partners, and we were making literally close to a million vials a day in the United States, manufacturing of 150 different SKUs for every part of the hospital and was safe for heparin. So Fresenius said, we want to buy you. We said, great.

And then I developed this molecule that was feeding the tumor that could actually activate the immune system to activate the macrophages called Abraxane. And Celgene said, we want to buy you. I said, great. The purpose for my selling them was not for the money. Clearly it was for the money. But the purpose of the use of the money was to pursue this dream of this astrophysics, to find God’s particle in your human body, to activate your immune system. That was the purpose of this money. And that’s all I’ve done with the money. I spent about $3 billion of this money. I’ve not gotten one penny from the government, not even one dime.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re the only one.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Yeah. And maybe that’s the freedom and the liberation. Allow me to say what I can say now.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yes, that’s right. So again, I keep pulling this away because there’s a lot here that’s interesting, but how did you not get COVID?

The T-Cell Vaccine Development

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Okay, so I recognized that. So Peter Marks and I had these conversations. So he was head of CBER, and I was pinging him with the science because this is a biologic. And I was saying to Peter, listen, Peter, I need to show you that we need to create a T cell vaccine. And he said, well, we don’t do T cell vaccines. Everybody’s doing the other vaccines, but. Great, let’s continue the antibody vaccines.

Then he called me and he said, we’re going to create warp speed. And he’s a Star Trekkie, and I’m a Star Trekkie, and I love warp speed. I said, okay, we got to do this in warp speed. Absolutely. But the only way, Peter, you can do this in warp speed. We need as a country to have NIH and Barda fund a trial where we take macaque monkeys, we give them the vaccine, and everybody should throw their vaccine in because I don’t care whether it’s mine or theirs, whoever’s vaccine, to clear the virus.

The only way to do this experiment, you give the monkeys the vaccine, it’s under your control. You have 100 monkeys, everybody gets a set of vaccines, and then you infect the monkeys in the BSL3 facility with a high dose of COVID. And then you see in their lungs and the tissue that there’s no virus after seven days. Absolutely. That was warp speed.

So I was one of eight of warp speed. Then I get a call, Patrick, you’re dewarped. You are out. I said, test my vaccine. Anyway, they did a vaccine, tested at the NIH and Barda. It cleared the virus. As I predicted, there was no virus in the lungs after a big infection. So I said, okay, I’m dewarped. And this was a Francis Collins scheme and Anthony Fauci’s scheme and Moncef Slaoui’s scheme.

And one day we’ll talk about the conversation I had with Moncef Slaoui and what I’ve learned about Francis Collins in that event. And they were going to go after this antibody vaccine, which is this mRNA vaccine, with Spike. And I said, this is too important. I told my people, we’re going to build our own vaccine with our own money. I couldn’t get enough material other than to do one batch. And we’re going to do a phase one trial, and we’re going to inject as many people that we can do in the phase one trial. I’m one of them. I injected myself.

I drew my own blood and tested, and I have T cells to nucleocapsid and to spike, which means if I were to get COVID, the T cells now, our memory T cells would clear the virus. So we then tried, begged, begged, because not for funding, even, but for the plastic bags that were now restricted as you grow these things to Pfizer and Moderna. All the materials that you need in a biological facility got zero. I’ve only got one batch.

So I said, I’m going to South Africa and inject these in patients with HIV, because that’s the biggest test you could have. You couldn’t generate T cells in the patients with HIV and do these phase 2 and phase 3 trial in South Africa. So we did that. And then I called Peter and I said, Peter, I’m sorry, what were the.

TUCKER CARLSON: Results like, T cells.

The Truth About Vaccine Efficacy

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Interestingly enough, it doesn’t say. Just so you know, you have to differentiate. Does it actually prevent the penetration of the virus versus the load of the virus versus the clearance of the virus? These are three different things. So we think it prevents the penetration, but we don’t know because as soon as it does penetrate, it would clear. So you wouldn’t even know.

For the T cell vaccine, this is anecdotal, but some of the people who got our T cell vaccine, their family members got COVID. They didn’t get the vaccine, and they didn’t get COVID while living with the family. The issue of clearing the virus in transmission was the key.

So an antibody vaccine may reduce the viral load and therefore reduce death, which is a good thing that President Trump did. But the next generation of clearing the virus was what was needed, and both should have been developed simultaneously. It wasn’t. I’ll share with you. To this day, it’s a mystery to me why. But the opportunity to clear the virus was actually known, I think, by Collins and by Fauci, that it did not clear the virus. The Spike vaccines, the Pfizer medicine, the antibody vaccine, does not and to this day, does not clear the virus.

TUCKER CARLSON: That seems like a big deal.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Well, just what we talked about. If you don’t clear the virus and you have pieces of the virus in there, especially spike, whether from the infection or from the vaccine, and now you get another infection. Now the virus brings along this nucleocapsid. Now it reconjoins and replicates again in these, what they call privileged sites two years later.

So what we’re seeing now, we’re back to persistence. That’s now published just months ago, and this is what I shared with NIH secretly four months ago. And persistence, asymptomatic persistence, but with inflammation and reduction of P53 and immunosuppression are all the hallmarks and recipes for cancer. And coming back to your first question is why are we seeing an increase in young people? I think all of the above, the toxins, the history, the red dye, the PFAS, the COVID all of the above.

TUCKER CARLSON: Does both COVID and the COVID vaccine lower over time.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: The human immune system, the vaccine itself upregulates temporarily the antibodies. But if the vaccine, the spike protein breaks off and the RNA or DNA goes into the cells. And whether from infection or the vaccine, that’s where the controversy is, right? It could be both. And the vaccine doesn’t clear the virus. That’s the key. It doesn’t clear the virus.

TUCKER CARLSON: And that’s why we were told, of course you take the virus and then you can’t get COVID or transmit it. But neither one turned out to be true. Demonstrably untrue.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Well, it was not only demonstrably untrue, it was knowingly untrue.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s what’s bad about it. Would seem like that’s criminal, actually. I mean, if I tell you that this car gets 40 miles the gallon and instead it blows up, that’s a crime. You can’t sell anything under false pretenses. That’s a crime. I don’t see how this is not a crime, but.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Well, as you said over breakfast, it’s not a conspiracy if it’s true.

The Truth About COVID Vaccines

TUCKER CARLSON: And you know that they knew. You’ve established for a fact that the developers of this and our public health authorities knew that the COVID vaccine would neither prevent infection nor transmission.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Yes. And I think you know, it’s not well known that during the first President Trump election, he offered me a position and I turned it down because I said to him I really could help him from outside better than inside. And I had too much to do. I really was working on this, thank God, working on this potential cure for cancer as well as clearing the virus with COVID.

This, what I call the missing link, which we can talk about this activator of the natural killer cells, this bioshield. And we have this bioshield now. So it was the right decision for me not to go into the government during that time and to stay out.

The Biden Era and FDA Intervention

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Correct. But worse, I’ve since discovered, not by my inquiry, but it’s been revealed to me. Emails about Francis Collins and some politicians worked hard to prevent me from even joining, becoming head of NIH. And I think that was the motivation all the way downstream that we asked, okay, so what happened to this vaccine? So I called the FDA and said, okay, I can’t do a randomized placebo controlled trial now because you got Pfizer’s Moderna vaccines all over the place. So let me be the booster. And Peter Marx, to his credit, was the one who said, absolutely. Peter Marx, to his credit was the one who says, I’m worried about this COVID vaccine and this long COVID. I want to study the effects of this vaccine. Peter Marx would then say to me, “Patrick, fine, go ahead.” I injected the first three patients as a booster. I get the call from the FDA to say, you have to stop.

TUCKER CARLSON: I said, why?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: To this day, they never explained to me. It wasn’t Peter, it was people around Peter who said, you must stop. So we stopped and there was nothing more we could do anyway because we didn’t have any of the resources, the money, the supplies to complete a phase three.

TUCKER CARLSON: So the government has a monopoly on some of the materials that you need to do this kind of testing in a biolab. Is that correct?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Correct. But now we’re into Biden era. So now we’re in the Biden era that said I must stop. This is 2020 now. It was during the Biden era and I think there was this. Sadly, I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but now I’ve come to realize it truly was a deep state inside there that had a motivation beyond public health. And, you know, I just tweeted recently of how so few people could hurt so many. And that’s why when I tweeted about, finally we have the right person in HHS with Bobby Kennedy, we’ll take this on, and that we have doctors that will be like Marty McCurry, I don’t know. But I do know he’s a surgeon who can understand and touch and feel what it means to be there on behalf of the patient and my support for that. I think we have a chance now to completely turn this around in its next few years.

The People Behind the Scenes

TUCKER CARLSON: I think this last election was in part about that. I think the national realization that COVID was there was something very dark there. It wasn’t just a virus that happened upon us naturally, that there was a lot of evil bound up in it. But just to back up a second, you said you have learned from watching COVID that a few people can hurt so many. Who are those people?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I think the main culprit really sitting there was Collins.

TUCKER CARLSON: Francis Collins.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Francis Collins. And he controlled a man. I had shared with President Trump that Francis Collins should not be the NIH director. He offered me a job. Peter Thiel nominated me, and I’ve since found emails of Francis Collins sending an email to a politician that “alarm bells, alarm bells. Peter Thiel’s nominated Patrick Soon-Shiong. We have to find a way to stop it.” Why to this day, power, greed, political need. He did the same thing with Craig Venter. I remember during Clinton’s time with the Human Genome Project, where Craig Venter invented the sequencing machine for tens of millions of dollars and he was spending billions of dollars doing nothing but wanted the credit.

I think what happens to you when you get into Washington, the ego, greed and power changes your mindset. So I can’t give motivation to that. All I can tell you is when I saw that email, I was devastated that somebody would actually go to that extent and then send that same email to the CEO of BIO, which is all big pharma. And that CEO of BIO said, “Let’s go to Google Search to find some dirt on him.” Dirt on you, on me, to stop me from being nominated to be head of NIH or whatever.

TUCKER CARLSON: Let’s Google him to stop him.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Let’s Google to find some dirt, some bad stuff, negative research, whatever they want to find. They probably couldn’t find any dirt on me, but that was the interchange between them on email.

TUCKER CARLSON: But the funny thing is, you made a product and by the way, a clarification of terms. My understanding was a vaccine was administered to a healthy person to prevent him from getting the disease. You’re describing a product, the one that you made, that you can inject into an infected person and it cures the infection. That sounds more like a conventional medicine than a vaccine.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It’s a therapeutic.

TUCKER CARLSON: A therapeutic.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Correct. So, you know, I use the word vaccine because that’s what they understood. You know, it’s dog man terminology.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right. But you’re giving this to people who have COVID, who have HIV.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Well, I want to give it to people who don’t have COVID so they can actually get COVID, but then they want to give. I am now giving to patients with HIV. I’m giving to people with HPV. I’m giving it people who are getting cancer and have cancer. And more importantly, there’s 1 in 280 Americans have this thing called Lynch syndrome. Lynch syndrome is a genetic predisposition of an 80% increase of colon cancer, ovarian cancer, breast cancer. It’s a genetic predisposition where your cells don’t repair themselves.

TUCKER CARLSON: I lost a friend to this. Yes.

Breakthrough Cancer Treatments

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: We are in clinical trials for the bioshield for patients with Lynch syndrome. We now have 100 patients enrolled already giving them this bioshield that’ll prevent cancer. So it’s one of the first trials of prevention of cancer rigor and treatment of cancer. Then this drug, this bioshield, I think people might not want to call it the vaccine has just gotten approved in 2024 for bladder cancer.

We now have people who failed everything, who would have their bladder removed. Think about that. Your bladder removed. 9% mortality just from the surgery alone. Where we’ve given them this bioshield, that’s all they got is a subcutaneous injection or sorry into the bladder. And they are now free of disease. Still complete remission. Nine years out. Alive today. We can talk to them. Published we have patients with metastatic pancreatic cancer. We just published was free of disease five years out.

Senator Reid, who came to see me after having failed all other treatment with his pancreatic cancer spread to his liver, came to see me and he said to me, “Patrick, I’m here. But I checked with Francis Collins who said, don’t go.” I said, “Well, Senator Reid, it’s your choices.” “I’m coming.” And we gave him the therapy and his CA19 went down to normal. And he lived for two years free of disease. He actually came, was very active.

We had a patient with Merkel cell carcinoma, which is a terrible disease of failed everything. He came into our clinic, complete response, nine years out, and he died of other causes. The reason I met Robert Jr. I’ve only known him for about four months is I called Bobby Shriver, his cousin. And the reason I knew Bobby Shriver, because Bobby called me seven years prior to that, saying, “Patrick, I’m on the city council of Santa Monica. And the mayor of Santa Monica has this terrible tumor in his head and neck. It’s ulcerating under his chin, ulcerating through his jaw. And UCLA and Cedars Sinai said, he’s got two weeks to live. He’s got to go to hospice. Can you see him?”

I said, “Absolutely, Bobby, I think he needs our natural killer cells. He needs our bioshield.” So I brought him to our clinic, which we have in Los Angeles, in El Segundo. The nurses broke into tears. The nurses says, “Patrick, what are you doing? UCLA said, he has to go to hospice.” I said, “No, you don’t understand. We can dynamically activate this.” And this is all as an outpatient. We got him into complete remission. Complete remission.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is he still alive?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So it healed and this melted the tumor. He went home because it was exposed. A little bleed happened in the blood vessel. His family took him to St. John’s and then they called me frantically and says, “The doctor says, do not resuscitate.” I said, “What? Let me speak to that doctor.” He said, “Well, it’s bleeding and it’s got this thing.” I think he was in his late 70s, early 80s. I said, “Please clip it. It’s complete response. And we’re going to do a flap to cover that.” He did. We did the flap. He lived for two years. Was able to eat.

So when I called Bobby and I said, “Bobby, you remember what we did?” He said, “Absolutely.” “Patrick, a lot of people have asked me to introduce to Robert. You know, Robert and I don’t speak very much. We’ve had an argument about his ideas.” And I said, “I understand, but I’m going to give you a number to Bobby Kennedy. And he’ll call you.” Bobby called me in 10 minutes and I said, “Bobby, I’d like to introduce myself.” He said, “Patrick, can I meet with you?” I said, “Please.” And he came to meet with me at my home and we had this long conversation.

And I realized I’ve just watched your show with him. He is what he is an authentic man with a sense of purpose, conviction, courage. He says what he really believes. Sometimes it may be wrong, sometimes it may be right, but he says what he believes. And I really believed, oh, my God. Here’s somebody who would have the courage to take on the world and ask the questions and I said I’m going to support you. And that’s what happened. That’s how I got to know him.

Supporting Robert Kennedy Jr.

TUCKER CARLSON: Amazing. He was dismissed by. No, not just dismissed, attacked and vilified by a lot of people in the medical establishment. I would say everybody. Why were you willing to listen to him?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Because what he’s saying is exactly what I was saying. And I’m sort of attacked by these same people because of the dogma that’s out there. So let me give you this example. I said, Bobby and I shared with him the story about Hope Hicks. I said that you probably just walked out to the office and I walked in in 2016, it’s 2017. I said, “Listen, you people think of you as saying you shouldn’t have a polio vaccine. You, that you’re an anti-vaccinator. What you really are saying you’re worried about the excipients inside the vaccine.”

TUCKER CARLSON: About the what?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Okay, so that’s the technical. The materials that go in with the vaccine. The mercury, et cetera, with the mercury, etc. So I understand there’s a polio vaccine. It’s 1, 2, 3, 4 polio vaccines that have now been manufactured. And now all of a sudden there’s a new polio vaccine that’s manufactured in which you have cow serum, calf serum inside that vaccine. And I know, and you know, everybody knows in the UK knows you can get prion disease from this calf serum because you can measure that. So that got approved in four days just because of safety, the way dogma is happening. But there’s other polio vaccines. So you can take the other polio

vaccines, but don’t take that one. Just like I was telling you about. Maybe I was telling you about Propofol’s story over breakfast and you should explain it that way, that you want it just to be examined. And he said, “Exactly.” I said, “Okay.” Not only did I get him, he is asking the right questions and people are scared to ask these questions because of perverse incentives. And that was what bothered me.

TUCKER CARLSON: But in science, shouldn’t any question be allowed?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Exactly. So when I tweeted, I said, he knows more science than most doctors. He’s much of a.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s a good thing you’re rich because you’d be out of a job tweeting stuff like that.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: But it is right? And that’s what’s a blessing, I think, you know, I live the American dream and that’s what. And you said, okay, I made this money. The money is for the purpose of me able to do this. And I was very concerned about being too loud about it because if the deep state would hold up the approval and they did, by the way, they put us into complete response letter. I got a thousand requests for information. The most my submission was close to 700,000 pages. In order to get this thing through.

TUCKER CARLSON: 700,000. It’s like the US tax code.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: This drug has been in trials now for eight years. 2015.

Revolutionizing Cancer Treatment

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Months, a month? Not even. So that’s why I’m trying to say, you know, I know which one I’m taking. When you talk about the user fees, we thought that the user fees were going to accelerate the approval where the FDA gets user fees from pharma. It turns out that the big pharma user fees are so large it pays for the salary for all these reviewers. So now the biotech companies, the young biotech companies are throttled.

So the big pharma that does just incremental little dots that just follow the revenue. This checkpoint’s multibillion dollar Merck’s, what, $20 billion, $30 billion on revenue. Bristol Myers follows it. AstraZeneca follows it. Roche follows it. They’re all the same, but it’s all about incremental sameness and follow the dollar. But the innovation is really at these young biotech companies that are throttled. This is what needs to be changed by the FDA today. They need a complete revamp where people with skill sets and the skill sets of the modern science, not the old drugs, have to be in place to understand what’s at stake here.

TUCKER CARLSON: Can I stop and ask you a question though? So your position is that cancer, but not just cancer, all kinds of illnesses are caused by weakened immune system and inflammation.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It’s all about the immune system, your body functions. You live or you die by the immune system, the senescent cells. Aging is the immune system. The cells in your body that allow you to go to 100 years old, 120 years old, is based on the activity and the function of the immune system. Because the immune system is what’s regulating your healthy cells.

TUCKER CARLSON: Could we just go through, I know this is not patentable, this is not your business, but what are some of the obvious things a person can do to strengthen his immune system?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So you ask, what activates the natural killer cell? So it’s like, you know, when you look at the leaf and you talk about apoptosis and the leaf actually sits and goes brown and it changes, but then goes back up. So all of human nature, all of nature is filled with this biology of this balance. So you are a product of nature. I mean literally, you’re a product of when you were tadpole and a fish as we came out.

So this cell has evolved since the Cambrian age. Think about that. This cell, this natural killer cell in your body. I published my first article in natural killer cell in 1990. This cell was only discovered in 1970s. Think about that. And we’ve ignored that cell. This is what I call the missing link. I’m going to announce that at the American Urology Conference in Las Vegas at the end of this month. We have not discovered the missing link. We’ve discovered the awareness of this missing link and how to activate this missing link.

So the idea is to activate the natural killer cell. It has 30,000 receptors on this cell. What this natural killer cell does, it replenishes itself with sleep. So sleep is important. It replenishes itself with light, with sunlight. And I believe there’s a certain wavelength, the red wavelength in the sunlight that it actually requires for it to be stimulated.

TUCKER CARLSON: This is why people get sicker in the winter.

Natural Health Factors

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Exactly. That’s why Seattle has the highest suicide rate. Think about that. Right? So these things. And if you look at the places like Norway and Sweden, where there’s very little sun. Finland. So nature’s all about light, sunlight. So that’s why I think this is…

TUCKER CARLSON: I like, obvious observation. Nature is all about sunlight. Of course, plants don’t grow without sunlight.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: And at the end of the day, we’re either about neutrons, photons and electrons. That’s what we are. We as a human being is nothing else but a battery. And when you think about that, we have a bunch of electrons and neutrons and charges that floating through us that actually interact. That’s how I think of the human body. That’s why I said I think of it as an astrophysicist. It’s crazy, but that’s how my mind works.

So sleep, getting sunlight and having food that doesn’t immunosuppress your biome, the bacteria in your body sends out materials that actually will immunosuppress or activate.

TUCKER CARLSON: What are the immunosuppressive foods?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Unfortunately, I think most natural foods are fine. It’s the toxins in the food. Exactly what I said. The excipients. So when we talk about red dye, the processed foods, all this unnatural processed stuff ultimately cause inflammation. Now when it gets processed back to this plasticity of inflammation, inflammation causes immunosuppression because it causes all these cells to flip from the killer state to the suppressor state. That’s why we said we have this dichotomy of is the cat alive? Is the cat dead?

TUCKER CARLSON: You see it too in the elderly. You know, it’s why an infection or a diabetic foot infection can lead to a systemic infection and kill the person.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Correct.

TUCKER CARLSON: Right.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: That’s why, you know, when this guy discovered that H. Pylori causes gastric ulcer, they said, you’re nuts. It’s acid.

TUCKER CARLSON: I remember that so well. So well.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So now when you think about that. So that’s what…

TUCKER CARLSON: But that’s a consensus now, right? Acid does not cause ulcers.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Well, it’s a cause and effect. So H. Pylori causes the inflammation and then the acid that’s naturally in your stomach activates.

TUCKER CARLSON: But it’s not the core cause, correct?

Fighting Medical Dogma

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Correct. But it’s all about dogma. That’s why I call this a vaccine. But it’s a bioshield, so you have to fight dogma. Part of the problem is you fighting. So I will ask you. I wanted to ask us to do an experiment.

TUCKER CARLSON: I’m all for it.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Where we pick up the phone, call any random oncologist not to shame them. Primary care physician pick up the phone and said, you do a CBC, correct? Yes.

TUCKER CARLSON: Can you define what a CBC is?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: A complete blood count. Just so you take a blood. And you look for…

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah, the blood screen that everyone gets.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Blood screen.

TUCKER CARLSON: Yeah.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: For whether you’re anemic or not anemic. People understand that, right? Red blood cells. And you see these red blood cells and you give chemotherapy and radiation and you ask, what do you look for? Well, we look to see if you’re anemic so we can give you this drug that Amgen makes called Epogen. We look to see whether your platelets have gone down so we can give you a platelet transfusion. We look to see whether your neutrophils have gone down so that you don’t get an infection called neutropenic fever. So we give you the drug Neupogen.

Well, the problem is, does red blood cells cure cancer? No. Does platelets cure cancer? No. Does neutrophils kill cancer? No. What kills cancer? Their natural killer cells and T cells. So in that CBC there’s a thing called the lymphocytes. Correct. So do you look at that? No. The only cell that is important that kills cancer. 99.9% of oncologists will say we don’t pay any attention to that.

TUCKER CARLSON: If you’re an oncologist. But if you’re fighting cancer, why do you ignore the one cell that fights cancer?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: That’s the experiment I want us to do.

TUCKER CARLSON: That’s a little mysterious. Am I missing something?

The Missing Link in Cancer Treatment

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: That’s exactly. That’s the missing link, the final frontier. The E equals MC squared, the God’s equation. That is the key element in your body that we’ve been missing for 50 years. For 50 years. But it’s even worse than that. Those missing link we’ve actually destroyed with chemotherapy. We’ve destroyed with radiotherapy and we’ve destroyed with checkpoint inhibitors. We’ve destroyed with steroids. Guess what we give to patients? Chemotherapy, radiotherapy, steroids and checkpoints. Am I missing something?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So if you see my writings I have written so many times, you win the battle and you lose the war.

TUCKER CARLSON: So this is not, I’m not imagining this phenomenon.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: I’m not imagining that you win the battle and you lose the war. The reason you win the battle is because you see this little blip of a response with chemotherapy. And then the moment you stop, or not even, you’ve actually now killed the cells that are there to protect you. You’ve upregulated these suppressor cells and you get metastasis. And you, sorry, you now have to go to hospice. Think about that. That’s what we’ve been doing for 50 years. That’s the dogma that I’m fighting.

TUCKER CARLSON: So what? Okay, so let’s just say I leave here and I’m diagnosed with a serious life threatening form of cancer. What would you recommend I do next?

Understanding Cancer’s Defensive Mechanisms

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So this is where you play chess and don’t play checkers. This is where you play go, where you say, okay, what is the cancer doing first? Well, guess what? The cancer is not stupid. So it’s figured out a way to hide from these killer cells. So the first thing you have to do is you have to expose the receptors on the cancers so the killer cells could recognize that. Even in the presence of chemotherapy, you don’t use chemotherapy to kill the tumor. You use a tiny dose of chemotherapy just to stress the cancer. And the cancer says, oh my God, something’s coming at me. And it starts exposing itself. So you go from hide to expose. So you use the chemotherapy at a low dose called low metronomic dose, to use it as what I call an immunomodulator. Importantly.

TUCKER CARLSON: Wait, I always ask. You’re describing cancer as almost like an autonomous entity that has a goal, a will to destroy the human body.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It does.

TUCKER CARLSON: But that’s. I mean, you’re describing like a. It’s a machine, but with intent and kind of clever behavior. It hides like what you’re describing, like some foreign entity in the body that’s trying to kill the body.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It is, it’s like a virus.

TUCKER CARLSON: But how can a tumor know to hide?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Because it has genomic sequencing in there that actually blocks the expression.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It is diabolical. That’s why I spent 50 years trying to understand it’s not a human brain. It’s biology and how biology can mutate. And actually, your body’s a beautiful thing. It’s an exquisite thing. So it has to have this thing called epigenetics. So it has the genomic sequencing that says, I’m not going to express this. So we can now stress that and block the block. And it now expresses something on its surface that our T cells can recognize. So that’s the first step.

TUCKER CARLSON: Smoke it out.

The Multi-Step Approach to Fighting Cancer

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Smoke it out. But your body has mechanisms to smoke it out. It gets even more complicated. Your body has a thing where you can induce what we call damps, which is dam associated molecular patterns. But forget that. It’s a way of actually smoking it out. So now your T cells can recognize it. Okay, so now you’ve done step one. That’s just step one. That’s one molecule.

This is why I think the FDA needs to understand we’re fighting a war where you need battlefield awareness all simultaneously. Where you have to orchestrate your marines, your army, your navy, air force, all in the right place so that you can use the tumor in your body to act as the weapon, as the vaccine. Because a tumor has molecules that is foreign to the rest of your body. And if you educate your T cells to recognize those molecules that is foreign to the rest of your body, that T cell can remember.

Now you have a memory T cell. So for the first time in 2024, in our package insert, we have a molecule called the bioshield. Now I’ll call it the bioshield that can activate the natural killer cell, activate the killer T cell, and drive memory T cells. We now have bladder cancer patients who would have lost their bladder in complete remission for nine years and still alive.

TUCKER CARLSON: And so the protocol is you low dose, you administer low dose chemo to identify where the tumor is.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: You smoke it out.

TUCKER CARLSON: You smoke it out.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: But at the same time, you need to have the natural killer cells and T cells ready. So you give them the bioshield that upregulates and stimulates your natural killer cells and T cells.

TUCKER CARLSON: What about radiation? Does that play a role that’ll kill.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Your natural killer cells and T cells. So no unless, and this is important, unless today, the radiation is what they call 70 gigabits, huge doses, unless you give a tiny little dose just to the tumor, nowhere else to smoke it out. So you use radiation in a very different way called SBRT, a low dose.

TUCKER CARLSON: To identify rather than destroy, to expose rather than expose.

The Cancer Treatment Algorithm

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: So the algorithm is expose from hide to expose. The next algorithm is activate and proliferate.

TUCKER CARLSON: Your NK cells, and that’s with the subcutaneous injection.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: The next algorithm is to educate your T cells with the vaccine that you anticipate that’s going to be exposed. So you now have educated T cells ready. So you’ve got educated T cells, you got NK cells, and the next thing is to activate your macrophages so they become killer macrophages. And the next step is to suppress the suppressors. You do that all simultaneously.

TUCKER CARLSON: How much human suffering is involved in this? There’s a lot in a conventional course.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: All as an outpatient. We’ve done hundreds of patients now.

TUCKER CARLSON: So someone taking this course is not going to. Is he going to lose his hair, throw up?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: All as an outpatient? No.

TUCKER CARLSON: What’s even more exciting, because that matters for cancer patients. I mean, it’s hard to be a cancer patient. It’s horrible.

Future Directions in Cancer Treatment

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Yeah. But we’re now seeing patients now in complete remission. More importantly, I want to treat patients before they need surgery so that I could use the tumor itself in the body as the vaccine to educate the body and the T cells all about that tumor.

What’s even more exciting now, we can take blood from you one pint and extract the natural killer cell in the T cell and grow billions and store in cryopreservation, just like you do, I don’t know, from cord blood. We now have the ability to grow these natural killer cells and give it to anybody. So I wish that for the first time we could become the American Red Cross of cancer, our country, and use these innovations as foreign policy.

COVID Vaccines and Concerns

TUCKER CARLSON: So could, looking back, do you think it was unwise to require the population to get the Pfizer and Moderna vaccine?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It depends on the time. I think it’s unwise to keep on giving this nonsense. I shouldn’t say that. I should be careful when I call it nonsense. The idea of getting an antibody vaccine and then creating another antibody vaccine, another antibody vaccine that chases your tail. I don’t know what that’s doing. Those spike proteins, it’s not ridding your.

TUCKER CARLSON: Body of COVID though.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It’s not. Is it creating even more variants in your body? I don’t know.

TUCKER CARLSON: But is that possible?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: See the idea, and I’m such a scientist, I need to actually go and actually pull out these variants and sequencing them. That’s what we do.

TUCKER CARLSON: Is it theoretically possible?

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: It’s theoretically possible.

TUCKER CARLSON: Could there be any change to a person’s DNA from taking.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Well, that’s what this does.

TUCKER CARLSON: It’s what the mRNA vaccines do.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Correct. It converts into DNA and it converts into replicating and that’s what it does. And it replicates an RNA virus. It becomes the.

TUCKER CARLSON: Well, as someone who’s clearly. You’ve made reference to it a couple times interested in evolution. To change the DNA of a species is to change the species over time.

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: No, I don’t think it integrates. My concern is that this virus is all about itself.

TUCKER CARLSON: Very selfish virus.

Viral Evolution and Gain of Function Research

DR. PATRICK SOON-SHIONG: Selfish virus. In fact, the fact that it’s now less deadly is in the virus’s interest. The virus doesn’t want to kill you because you are the incubator. Think about that. The virus wants you alive.

TUCKER CARLSON: You’re speaking in a way that suggests intent and forethought.

THERE WAS MORE DISCUSSION BUT I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THIS. You need to discuss it with your oncologist – but we can all try to help our immune system!